Vasili
Yeremenko from Canada writes: Next
step put Nancy Grace, who publically slandered the
players night after night, in jail.
Posted 16/06/07 at 6:57 PM
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Rob Bairos
from Toronto, Canada writes: Vasili, I
second that motion!! Shes a vigilante without a
clue, not a journalist.
Posted 16/06/07 at 7:09 PM
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Eye Sore
from Dog Pound, Alberta, Canada writes:
Yes, Nancy Grace must be dis-Graced. And Mike Nifong
who self-servingly ruined the lives of 3 promising
young men must be dragged through the
civil trial brought by their families and made to
pay a very heavy financial
cost for his outrageous conduct.
Posted 16/06/07 at 7:11 PM
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donald
kennedy from prince george, Canada writes:
Do you see why we must not elect judges.
The desire to be elected corrupted him. Judges who
follow the mob are what we DON'T need.
Posted 16/06/07 at 7:31 PM
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Rob Bairos
from Toronto, Canada writes: good point
Donald K. ...But playing devils advocate, wouldnt
the same reasoning apply to any elected official, at
any level, including ruling parties and prime
ministers?
Posted 16/06/07 at 7:36 PM
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robert quinn
from Japan writes: No need to stop with
Nancy Grace, gentlemen. There are any number of
parties guilty of a flagrant rush to judgement,
including most of the Duke faculty. One could have
expected the usual assortment of carpetbagging
journalists, Candian and American both, to join the
chorus demanding bonfires for the innocent. Tom
Wolfe knew his targets well.
Posted 16/06/07 at 7:46 PM
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Jay Wortman
MD from Vancouver, Canada writes: I
agree with Donald Kennedy. This is only the most
flagrant recent example of an election campaign
having a detrimental effect on a case that is before
the courts. The need to pander to the public's fears
and desire for revenge to get elected as a judge or
DA only distorts the administration of justice and
skews the outcome. The US, with 5% of the world's
population, has 25% of the world's prison
population. This is not where we want to go.
Posted 16/06/07 at 8:04 PM
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donald
kennedy from prince george, Canada writes:
Ken Haas: I have thoought about this for since I
defended my first murder case in 1964, I also
prosecuted 50 or so and am still defending two at
present The U.S. Supreme Court is appointed as are
all federal judges there. NO COUNTRY elects
all its judges.. If Pakistans Chief Justice was
elected instead of appointed there would be no
uproar over his removal, he
would have followed the mob as virtually all elected
people do.
Elected judges in my book are little better than
vigilantes and
make rulings on the current political climate rather
than the law.
Posted 16/06/07 at 8:07 PM
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donald
kennedy from prince george, Canada writes:
While I'm at it don't you know that an
appointed judge is only appointed during 'good
behaviour' and can be removed by a joint address of
both houses of parliamen. And some judges have been
so removed, although they usually resign before it
gets that far. Parliament can change the law and
judges have to follow it. Parliament can set aside
Charter judgements it disagrees with. I do not want
judges who convict on public mood instead of the
law! EVER.
Posted 16/06/07 at 8:15 PM
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Justin
Campbell from Ottawa, Canada writes:
Rob Bairos: That's why we have a Constitution --
something that is clearly undermined when those who
are supposed to defend the law against the mob are
reduced to pandering to them instead.
Posted 16/06/07 at 8:29 PM
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The Skipper
from Canada writes: Good news but just
don't stop at this guy as there are others who
capitalized on this fiasco who should be held
accountable.
Posted 16/06/07 at 8:55 PM
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Ken Hass
from Edmonton, Canada writes: Donald
Kennedy, I forgot to mention that there should be
term limitation, two five year terms, on elected
Judges. No one is more independent than a Judge in
his last term.
Judges have to be accountable, until they are
proven, and then elected to their last term.
I have personally seen many bad biased decisions by
appointed judges and so have you if you are in the
judicial business. If you have not seen bad
decisions by Judges, you are lying. Appointed
judges, are as prone to the public mood, as elected
judges, only elected Judges in their last term are
independent!
Judges have to be accountable.
Posted 16/06/07 at 9:02 PM
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Ken Hass
from Edmonton, Canada writes: An excellent
example of a bad Judge, is the Judge that is suing
the Drycleaner for $54,000,000.00 for loosing a pair
of pants.
Give me a break, Judges like this, are why we need
elected Judges. This Judge would have no hope of
ever getting re-elected, if he had to run.
People that underestimate the public, are elitist
fools!
Posted 16/06/07 at 9:08 PM
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Steve White
from Canada writes: donald kennedy -
interesting point about electing (or not electing)
judges, however, Nifong was not a judge but rather a
prosecutor.
Appointing judges (or prosecutors) does not prevent
injustice. Canada has had its fair share of botched
prosecutions (either convicting the wrong person or
letting of violent criminals with a slap on the
wrist). Judges and prosecutors bring their own
biases and agendas into the court whether elected or
not.
It seems to me that the American legal system worked
here... eventually. A rogue prosecutor has been
disbarred.
Posted 16/06/07 at 10:16 PM
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george moe
from Algeria writes: Never mind elected
judges, past district attourneys in NC have sent
innocent black men on death row and all they got was
a reprimand. The message is dont f*#k with rich
white kids.
Posted 17/06/07 at 12:04 AM
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Route 90
from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Donald
Kennedy made excellent points. There is a huge
difference between an elected judiciary and elected
legislators. While I agree that both the House of
Commons and the Senate should be elected (hopefully,
one day soon, for the latter), I completely disagree
that judges (or crown attornies / prosecutors)
should be elected. The legislative and executive
(i.e. the cabinet) branches of government need to be
checked... that is the professional, appointed,
independent judiciary. Otherwise, everyone in public
service is just playing to the polls. In the case of
prosecutors, they also need independence from the
fickleness of public opinion. Also, to those who
think the party in power stacks the judiciary with
their 'picks', candidates for open positions on the
bench are scrutinized by committees that represent
the jurisdictions and stakeholders who will be
served. A list of thoroughly vetted candidates is
submitted to the governing party. The PM doesn't
just 'hand pick' his / her cronies. It's a rigorous
process that is taken seriously by leading members
of the Bar. Who is most qualified to choose
excellent judges: (i) senior lawyers on committees
across Canada who have witnessed these experienced
lawyers in action, or (ii) the members of general
public who have based their decision on a limited
campaign and media spin?
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: Thus
case differs markedly from Canadian practise. There,
the South Caroline Attorney General and Special
Inistigaitions Unit went to work on the prosecutor's
misconduct and to repair the harm done to innocent
students by seeking an order to exonerate the
wrongly accused students. In Canada, the Attorney
General would line up with the regulator to defend
the actions of the errant prosecutor against public
complaints. No steps would be taken to clear the
reputations of innocents lest potential civil
damages grow, and the AG, regulator and government
would pull out all stops to defend the prosecutor
and smooth things over without charges. They would
act as a pack, to get any civil suits filed by the
wrongly accused dismissed on every technicality
imagined (and a few you haven't) and politicians
would ride it out as the 'cirminals who got away,'
rather than the 'innocent accused', until the next
election. Ten years from now those wrongly accused
would still be mired in the mud of a Canadian
cover-up, which could and likely would drag on for
decades. In South Carolina the justice system is
transparent enough to have picked up a pattern of
wrongful prosecutions and then acted to restore
public confidence. In Canada the public is naive and
assumes they will never be wrongfully accused. Our
system can also be fairly opaque, and takes much
longer to right, such as in the matter of the
wrongly accused parents of the children examined by
Dr. Smith. If Canadians were paying attention
recently they know that our Charter and Charter
rights are readily cast aside by many in the
criminal law system, by some members of the bench,
and by all of our civil jusutice system which has
enormous administrative law deficits that favour the
monies and corrupt prosecutors. The only jsutice to
be the subject of disciplined in Ontario in recent
years was prosecuted for upholding the Charter.
That's right. He found the Crown had breached too
many Charter rights.He was disciplined for it.
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: I
forgot to mention thAT THE WRITTEN COMPLAINT FILED
AGAINST The only justice to be disciplined in
Ontario in recent years, was disciplined after
Ontario's Attorney General Michael J., Bryant,
himself, filed a complaint with the Candian Judicial
Counsel after the justice roundly criticized
Bryant's prosecutors for scores of Charter
violations. In Ontario, justices take their careers
in their hands if they uphold too many rights. South
Carolina prosecutor Michael Nifong would likely have
been congratualted for prosecuting vigorously and
the courts would have foumd it was the accuseds'
fault if they didn't discover Nifong's DNA-evidence
coverup during the trial. Maybe their appeals would
have been foreclosed on that basis alone. I admire
the integrity of the South Carolina State Bar and
wish we had even a fraction of their integrity here
in Canada. We don't.
Posted 17/06/07 at 1:45 AM
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Vasili
Yeremenko from Canada writes: I
believe Emma is correct. I have knowledge of such a
case.
Posted 17/06/07 at 2:34 AM
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donald
kennedy from prince george, Canada writes:
Emma Hawthorne; Anyone who did what Nifong was shown
to have done would be disbarred here too. Complete
disclosure is presently a very live issue in a
Vancouver case before Madame Justice Elizabeh Bennet
in the Basi-Virk case. Look it up! I think special
prosecutor Bill Berardino may have trouble coming up
with answers. This could not have happened before an
elected judge, for obvious reasons because it
innvolves what is looking more and more as a
political cover-up to protect the party in power.
Posted 17/06/07 at 2:40 AM
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: Donald
Kennedy I wish you were correct but believe you are
dead wrong. No prosecutor has ever been disbarred in
Canada, have they? It took the Supreme Court of
Canada to decide in Kreiger that the law society
could even investigate a Crown prosecutor for
non-dislcosure. Heck even disclosure was up for
grabs until a Court of Appeal aid down the lawin
Stinchcombe. Wasn;t that a 12-year or so legal
battle jsut to get fair treatment. Our system is
designed to uphold the integrity of the system and
protect 'the administration of justice.' Nice
ideals, but here in Canada they are twisted to
deflect all investigations of prosecutors, ignore
illegal poklice activities, allow tainted evidence
in (the thinking - if you can call it that - is that
our 'system of jsutice' would be brought into
disrepute if we kept tainted evidence out!!!), and
making sure no defendant ever wins in a case against
the Crown. No tax dollar is spared when it can be
called into service to protect the Crown from a
deserved legal attack. Sadly, we live in rats alley.
Posted 17/06/07 at 3:20 AM
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: Here
is a link for US prosecutorial misconduct. There is
nothing for Canada.
www.ethicsforprosecutors.com
Also the Nifong complaint, itself, is quite
enlightening as to proper legal standards and how
legal regulators should function when prosecuting.
Posted 17/06/07 at 3:41 AM
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donald
kennedy from prince george, Canada writes:
Emma Hawthorne: Just from memory the first
prosecutor of Robert Latimer, the prosecutor of
Susan Nelles. I am no defender of The Supreme Courts
French And Conservative bent on criminal law..
This is a large subject but I am very angry about
the destruction of the hundred year old rule in
Ibrahim versus the king while denying that that is
what they are doing. Look at R.v. Spence. I am a
traditional lawyer astonished at the destruction of
the hearsay rule of evidence, worried about the
potential for the conviction of the innocent, also
worried about the corruption of undercover
operations which require lying as part of the
operation.Ie. the Mr. big sting which is not
accepted in the U.S. but Madame Justice Claire-Heroux
did the cause of justice in Canada what appears to
be a body blow.
Posted 17/06/07 at 3:53 AM
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: I
think a Nelles prosecutor was fired. It's helpful to
recall that she was out of the country duirng
several suspect deaths!!!!! No physician was even
even considered for investigation but absentee
nurses were fair game!
A tiny career bump - prosecutor terminaiton - is a
very small price to pay for wrongfully damaging a
life. They probably took severence 'keep quiet'
packages as well. Come to think of it, one never
hears of prosecutors suing for wrongful dismissal.
Posted 17/06/07 at 4:20 AM
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Scott
Anderson from Windsor, Ontario, Canada
writes: I am all for Nancy Grace getting
kicked to the Curb, Hey maybe we will see CNN get
sued for Nancy's Graces negative and malicious
remarks about the accused. At the beginning of her
show it doesn't state that the opinions expressed
are not that of CNN. I don't know how she avoids not
getting sued for the flap of the lips that keeps
occurring. Maybe she might learn from getting sued
for such comments then she can start slamming
herself for being guilty even before found guilty or
not.
Posted 17/06/07 at 4:27 AM
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Route 90
from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Emma
Hawthorne, the Canadian system is far from perfect.
The criminal prosecutions involving the evidence of
a rogue coroner like Dr. Smith are a highly
unfortunate illustration... but, you can hardly lay
the blame for those cases solely at the feet of the
Crown attorneys relying on his 'expert' testimony.
I'm not a criminal lawyer, but I believe the SCC in
Nelles removed the notion of the absolute immunity
of a Crown attorney in the case of malicious
prosecution. Without devolving this discussion
further into the world of evidence, we would be
remiss to look to the US system as a model without
faults - it too is quite open to abuse from above. A
glaring case in point is the current one of
embattled US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and
the politically-motivated firings of several US
attorneys for alleged 'performance related
problems'.
Posted 17/06/07 at 4:32 AM
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Mark H
from Columbus, IN, United States writes: 'robert
quinn from Japan writes: No need to stop with Nancy
Grace, gentlemen. There are any number of parties
guilty of a flagrant rush to judgement, including
most of the Duke faculty.'
For context's sake, the college of Liberal Arts
(specifically the school of African American
studies) were the ones in the 'group of 88'. Science
schools, engineering, law etc didn't sign on -
because they have brains in their heads.
To switch gears, there was an incident in Minnesota
about a month ago involving three black football
players charged with raping a white girl at a party.
Crickets and tumbleweeds from the MSM down here -
you think the Gophers will cancel their football
season and fire the coach? Found a synopsis here:
http://lancerasmussen.blogspot.com/2007/04/with-leaders-like-these.html
Posted 17/06/07 at 7:30 AM
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Just the
Truth from Canada writes: The
discipline board of the North Carolina State Bar
didn't undertake this action on its own, out of a
sense of 'justice'. Prosecutors and 'tough on crime'
types all over the US (including those on Faux News)
defended the actions of this moral cretin to the
end, as 'a reasonable exercise of prosecutorial
discretion'.
It was only because of the dogged efforts of the
parents of these boys and others who, contrary to
the aims of prosecutors, were IN FAVOUR OF justice
that this result occurred. Months ago, they were
accused of being 'pro-criminal'.
And don't expect any apology or even an
acknowledgment from the right-wing morons on Faux
News; truth has never been what Faux News has been
about.
Posted 17/06/07 at 9:25 AM
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M J
from Ottawa, Canada writes: Don't worry
about Nancy Grace. This Nancy is gone; another Nancy
will come. She only said what was in her interests.
As long as the temptations are there, someone will
take his/her chance. This time it was Mike/Nancy;
next time it can be John/Linda. Many people are
lining up there, just have not got their chance.
Posted 17/06/07 at 10:24 AM
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gordon davies
from Victoria B.C., Canada writes: It seems
that we have those who will go to any length to be
elected & have a chance to pray upon the public
purse. Sadly these types are marginal in talent &
short in truth with a perchance leaning to the dark
side.
Posted 17/06/07 at 10:38 AM
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Winston Smith
from Brampton, Canada writes: Poor Nifung,
his hunt for the
Great White Defendant failed as miserably as
the DA's in Tom Wolfe's Bonfire of the Vanities.
Another perpetrator of this farce is the PC media.
Lead by the New York Times, they faned the flames
screaming "racism," "entitlement," never caring that
even the most liberal interpretation of the facts
screamed not guilty. They too should be held to
account. They should be made to give an answer for
why they paid so much attention to this case when
much more heinous crimes were committed by blacks
against whites were systematically ignored.
Check out this case that was not picked up by the
national (PC) media:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChannonChristianandChristopherNewsom_Murder
Posted 17/06/07 at 11:49 AM
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Michael
Leblanc from Toronto, Canada writes:
This slow motion train wreck was painful to watch.
In my view it highlights an increasingly serious
problem of "reverse racism'. Now, don't get me
wrong, I'm not saying that visible minorities are
not descriminated against in the U.S. as well as
here, but this in no way justifies equally abhorrent
racism in the other direction. One commentor here
refers derisively to 'rich white kids'......ignoring
the fact that the accused in this case were found to
be innocent - and wrongfully accused to boot, again
in my view largely due to descrimination towards
their race and backround.
I read a lot about this case, and was shocked at
some of the attitudes towards it at a neighbouring
school with a majority black student body. Many
students there said it didn't matter so much to them
if the accused were innnocent - that they should be
found guilty regardless, to atone for past crimes of
their race. How F-u==ed up is that??
One of the most grim things I read was the story of
how the "victim's" co-dancer who at first did not
back her partner's version of events, suddenly
changed her story and contacted a top PR firm in New
York to ask them for advice on how to "spin" her
story for maximum financial yield. Surprisingly
enough, the PR firm passed her request on to the
media and others and she was disgraced.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Posted 17/06/07 at 12:33 PM
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Mike Bellows
from Canada writes: Good to see lawyers
held responsible for ruining lives. Now can
something be done about those soft tissue lawyers
who cost us a fortune in insurance premiums or
bankrupt people at any cost in order to get their "
cut "
Posted 17/06/07 at 12:58 PM
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Mr Fijne
from Calgary, Canada writes: Jim Flaherty
should be disbarred and trialed for treason! But in
Canada we'd rather lecture others than do the right
thing...
Posted 17/06/07 at 1:10 PM
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For a Better
Canada from No-Quebec, Canada writes:
Nifong should come to Quebec. Barreau du
Quebec will give him a lifetime license as long as
he steals assets from small entrepreneurs, get
involved in perjuires and frauds. Having an account
with Caisses Desjardins will not hurt. Better,
become attorney for the so-called financial
institution. Later, he will get a chance to be named
judges...one more in the corruptiion clique
protected by the fascist group, above the law, of
course.
Posted 17/06/07 at 1:20 PM
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: No one
is suggesting adopting a US-style system. But in
light of Nifong and our many, many flaws, urgent
reform is needed here in Canada. Their prosecuting
office failed, but in fact everything else worked.
From the Attorney General's speical invesitgations
unit to the media (a news-show did a feature on the
Duke case), the medical expert was forthright, the
information did come out about the Duke case and
several earlier South Carolina fiascos by
prosecutors, the state bar association had the
wherewithal to act, the parents of the
wrongly-accused had sufficient money to fight, etc.
Here in Canada the media will not move without a
government press release to give them instructions,
our caselaw is poorly written, illogically indexed
and referenced to certain biases, our Attorney
General is unable to act or refuses to act to
correct nearly any government wrong, our politicians
are perpetually in sleep mode and will claim they
cannot be involved in any justice matters, our
Ombudsman lacks jurisdiciton, our law societies
court justice ministries not challenge them, our
medical experts tailor their opinions to the paying
party's preferences. Our Charter is often ignored by
the Courts and others. IN SHORT, OUR SYSTEM IS
BROKEN.
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Route 90
from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Emma H, so
what's the solution? We can't control the media. If
they don't act without government "instructions"
(your words), that's not something the general
public can act on. I guess we could stop watching
their news or reading their papers. As pointed out
by many above, the US media was led by the nose on
the Duke matter as well - from sensationalist Nancy
Grace to the more staid NY Times. Further, in the
Duke matter (as you also pointed out), it was the
strength of will and finances of the victims'
parents that drove the system to examine the
prosecutor's actions and motivate the SRO to disbar
the offending lawyer. If our system is broken, I'm
not sure how you propose we fix it. Elect judges?
Elect prosecutors? How does that compel Canadian law
societies to sanction poor counsel any more
effectively than they already do? Would elected
judges defend the Charter any more agressively that
appointed judges? Conversely, would elected
prosecutors fight more vigorously to uphold a
statute that violates the Charter. Who knows? I
don't hear a solution proposed that can be backed by
a reasoned argument.
Posted 17/06/07 at 2:26 PM
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: It was
refreshing to see the panel hand down its decision
in NIfong yesterday (televised) because an
unmistakeable impression was provided that in fact
both sides had a full opportunity to question the
evidence and charges in a fair environment, and
where even the defendant would have had a full
opportunity to respond and call evidence. This could
not happen here. In Canada, the
prosecutor/.regulatory counsel is heard first, and
often has exclusive access to cases hidden from the
defendant. Canadian law societies do not set out a
set of facts and precise legal standard engaging
these facts said to be breached in any complaint,
and our (idiotic) courts have failed to recognize
sufficient civil justice rights to prevent this
breach of fundamental justice rights. As the law
societies also control the publication of court
decisions (asll except the Sup. Ct. of Can) on
government web sites such as canlii.org, they edit
out all decisions that do not favour them. Our
courts like paper and may read documents filed. They
will not censor law societies who mis-state facts,
fudge paperwork or make mis-statements to courts.
Mr. Nifong was disbarred in part for making
misleading statements to courts and tribunals. That
would never happen here as the courts and tribunals
would repeat any mis-statements profeered by the law
society and or Crownas readily -accepted fact. Next,
the Canadian court, after giving full latitute to
the prosecution, would then constantly interrupt,
confuse, make flippant remarks to and ignore the
defence unless it liked the defence counsel.
Although the Attorney General's court student court
reporters record hearings to learn from, transcripts
will rarely be available, and certainly never
without errors, for cases important to defendants,
because it will send sneior court reporters who will
NOT record hearings. It's a Punch and Judy show.
Posted 17/06/07 at 2:44 PM
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: The
South Carolina State Bar proivded a high standard of
justice no doubt because South Carolina Courts have
required this. This could not happen here because,
for example, at Osgoode Hall in Toronto, we have a
bizarre 200-year-old situation where the law society
resides WITH the courts that are supposed to be
supervising itl. Rather than hold the regulator to a
proper standard of administrative law, the courts of
Osgoode Hall are holding the regulator to luncheon
dates in the dining room. Court staffs are famous
for accommodating the regulator, opening and closing
court files in secret, "delaying" certain filings,
fudging a few files. One can watch court staff
members with bulky bags travel along York Street in
Toronto on afternoons, before slipping back into the
'office' at Osgoode Hall with lgihter bags. While
televising the hearing in South Carolina provided a
measure of transparency there, here in Canada, and
especially at Osgoode Hall, it would only have been
a bizarre comedy hour - fuzzy charges, missing
documents, foot-loose facts, impatient judges,
hidden decisions that even the courts do not know
about, and there would be no question of a full and
fair hearing to determine the facts and then apply
law. It would not be possible without first writing
sufficient charges (ie in law and fact), providing
equal access to prior decisions (Ontario's law
society has a written policiy of NEVER releasing
decisions wherein it loses!!) and fairly (and
without lying) examining the evidence. Nevertheless,
our media would function as a 40--second sound bite,
then return to review the dining room menu. It would
be a good first step to tackle mis-statements of
prosecutors, require the courts to uphold S.7
Charter - fundamental justice rights (sufficient
charges) and open up the dusty hidden files of our
law societies. (open corts principle of access to
prior decisions, S. 2(b) Charter. Justices
uncomfortable with these requirements should leave
the bench.
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: Dear
Route 90: The solutions are elegantly simple. 1. If
our Chief Justice or an Attorney General stated that
Osgoode Hall should only be a S. 96 courthouse, they
could request this and it would be done immediately,
because the admission would attract S. 96
challenges. 2. As it was 60 minutes, 20/20 or
Dateline that initiated the inquiries with their
excellent piece on the Duke prosecution, we could
encourage independent media thinking here and ask
our legal newspapers to stop taking direct orders
from law societies, as they do now. Shame on them!
3. We could require our courts and all regulators
(creatures of legislation) to acquire administrative
law competence - so they they could recognize: a) a
sufficiently worded complaint, b) ensure access to
prior decisions (A Gitmo problem) c) provide a fair
and impartial hearing in accordance with the
principles of fundamental justice d) agressively
prosecute - and disbar - any Crown prosecutor or
equivalent (such as a law society prosecutor) who
makes a misleading statement to any court or
tirbunal. 4) Governments need to set up a
functioning central complaints office to receive and
act upon justice complaints. Currently this is NOT
being done, all claims to the contrary. 5) Our
schools need to better educate Canadians so that
they can recognize corruption, document unfairness
and effectively blow the whisle. You see, it would
take precious little leadership, basic legal
competence and almost no money to fix our system in
just a few months. merely state thier concerns and
request either that the ocurts move or that all of
the other interests move away.
Posted 17/06/07 at 3:42 PM
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Derek Holtom
from Swan River, Canada writes: soon to be
an episode of law and order
Posted 17/06/07 at 3:55 PM
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: My
comment that our media acts only with government
instructions was a little too impatient and not
precise enough. I think our media often have the
right motives but get caught up trying to maintain a
fourth-estate power position and and also
credibility in powerful justice systems which
reporters know can quash them on whim. It is no easy
task to negotiate such a system, especially an
out-dated 19C justice system that has failed to
modernize, that has so many hidden levers, and where
people in positions of power do not hesitate to pick
up the phone and scream at the media. I think the
media can better navigate by focusing on reasonable
questions and following reasonable lines of inquiry
without deterrence. For example, when the Star
atempted last year to question what it felt was too
few prosecutions by legal regulators, it began with
strength, but failed to hone in on proper
measurements of whether and how the mandate was
being fulfilled. The media often demands more to be
done, but does not qualify exactly what precisely
should be done. That devolves quickly to mob demands
for another hanging! It could have focused on the
conduct of benchers, their lack of training and
ignorance of administrative law plus their breaches
of their duties and hidden personal conflicts of
interest. It could have asked administrative law
experts to comment on the process. It could have
asked why the LSUC (but not others) hides cases it
loses!!!! Surely that is a red flag! It could have
asked what should be done about mortgage fraud?(this
now seems to be answered with insurance, court
precedent and education of the public and bar). Our
media need encouragement and must always perk up
their ears when faced with puzzling silence. That's
the big story - no one is talking about.
Posted 17/06/07 at 4:14 PM
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Emma
Hawthorne from Canada writes: Our
media should do a story on how Canadians could or
should deal with lying and unethical prosecutors.
That would be news Canadians could use and it might
lead to excellent follow-up stories.
Posted 17/06/07 at 4:45 PM
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donald
kennedy from prince george, Canada writes:
Emma Hawthorne: You are doing a considerable service
by talking about dysfunctions in Ontario. In BC our
Law Society separated its offiices from courthouses
some thirty to thirty five years ago..Law society
discipline cases including all punishments as well
as dismissed complaints are featured regularly in
Law Society Reports distributed to all BC
lawyers.There continues to be a reluctance to report
unethical behaviour because it shakes the tree and
who knows what might fall out.
Posted 17/06/07 at 4:57 PM
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Ottawa Mens Centre.com,
from Ottawa Capital of Male Apartheid, Canada)
wrote: Male Apartheid is plaguing Canada as
well as most western countries. Prosecutors salivate
over any prosecution that bows to feminist
doctrines. Take for example the Crown Attorneys in
Timmins Ontario. Back in 1998 they repeatedly
arrested one father in a custody battle simple
because he had a letter published in two local
papers describing how two local agencies obstructed
justice who put the one father through 8 criminal
charges, basically the same charge redressed. When
he described the judge involved as “an insult to
justice” they had him again arrested, thrown in jail
on a 5 charges of criminal defamation, 2 of those
charges were for supposedly defaming the Children’s
Aid Society and the Canadian Mental Health
Association. Another of those charges was for
defaming the mother’s solicitor for stating that the
solicitor made false statements in written
submissions alleging that the father admitted making
a false statement under oath. A fact that never
occurred. The Timmins Crown Attorneys ignored
multiple obvious documented offences against the
father and each time, has the father arrested and
thrown in jail where the prisoners were told that
the father was a pedophile. Every day across Canada,
prosecutors vilify the administration of Canadian
justice by acting as feminist foot soldiers doing
indirectly what they know is illegal directly all to
earn feminist brownie points that will help their
career. It makes you wonder why kind of personality
disorder these creeps have they lets them sleep at
night while committing heinous crimes obstruction of
justice often with the obvious goal of intimidation
and destruction to prevent a law suit for malicious
prosecution. Often the damage comes later.
Prosecutors often wink to the local police to have
ongoing never ending harassment designed for keep
such victims from developing the ability or the
necessary financial stability needed to file claims
for malicious prosecutions. http://www.OttawaMensCentre.com
civil trial brought by their families and made to pay a very heavy financial
cost for his outrageous conduct.
Ken Haas: I have thoought about this for since I defended my first murder case in 1964, I also prosecuted 50 or so and am still defending two at present The U.S. Supreme Court is appointed as are all federal judges there. NO COUNTRY elects
all its judges.. If Pakistans Chief Justice was elected instead of appointed there would be no uproar over his removal, he
would have followed the mob as virtually all elected people do.
Elected judges in my book are little better than vigilantes and
make rulings on the current political climate rather than the law.
Judges have to be accountable, until they are proven, and then elected to their last term.
I have personally seen many bad biased decisions by appointed judges and so have you if you are in the judicial business. If you have not seen bad decisions by Judges, you are lying. Appointed judges, are as prone to the public mood, as elected judges, only elected Judges in their last term are independent!
Judges have to be accountable.
Give me a break, Judges like this, are why we need elected Judges. This Judge would have no hope of ever getting re-elected, if he had to run.
People that underestimate the public, are elitist fools!
Appointing judges (or prosecutors) does not prevent injustice. Canada has had its fair share of botched prosecutions (either convicting the wrong person or letting of violent criminals with a slap on the wrist). Judges and prosecutors bring their own biases and agendas into the court whether elected or not.
It seems to me that the American legal system worked here... eventually. A rogue prosecutor has been disbarred.
Emma Hawthorne; Anyone who did what Nifong was shown to have done would be disbarred here too. Complete disclosure is presently a very live issue in a Vancouver case before Madame Justice Elizabeh Bennet in the Basi-Virk case. Look it up! I think special prosecutor Bill Berardino may have trouble coming up with answers. This could not have happened before an elected judge, for obvious reasons because it innvolves what is looking more and more as a political cover-up to protect the party in power.
www.ethicsforprosecutors.com
Also the Nifong complaint, itself, is quite enlightening as to proper legal standards and how legal regulators should function when prosecuting.
This is a large subject but I am very angry about the destruction of the hundred year old rule in Ibrahim versus the king while denying that that is what they are doing. Look at R.v. Spence. I am a traditional lawyer astonished at the destruction of the hearsay rule of evidence, worried about the potential for the conviction of the innocent, also worried about the corruption of undercover operations which require lying as part of the operation.Ie. the Mr. big sting which is not accepted in the U.S. but Madame Justice Claire-Heroux did the cause of justice in Canada what appears to be a body blow.
A tiny career bump - prosecutor terminaiton - is a very small price to pay for wrongfully damaging a life. They probably took severence 'keep quiet' packages as well. Come to think of it, one never hears of prosecutors suing for wrongful dismissal.
For context's sake, the college of Liberal Arts (specifically the school of African American studies) were the ones in the 'group of 88'. Science schools, engineering, law etc didn't sign on - because they have brains in their heads.
To switch gears, there was an incident in Minnesota about a month ago involving three black football players charged with raping a white girl at a party. Crickets and tumbleweeds from the MSM down here - you think the Gophers will cancel their football season and fire the coach? Found a synopsis here:
http://lancerasmussen.blogspot.com/2007/04/with-leaders-like-these.html
It was only because of the dogged efforts of the parents of these boys and others who, contrary to the aims of prosecutors, were IN FAVOUR OF justice that this result occurred. Months ago, they were accused of being 'pro-criminal'.
And don't expect any apology or even an acknowledgment from the right-wing morons on Faux News; truth has never been what Faux News has been about.
Another perpetrator of this farce is the PC media. Lead by the New York Times, they faned the flames screaming "racism," "entitlement," never caring that even the most liberal interpretation of the facts screamed not guilty. They too should be held to account. They should be made to give an answer for why they paid so much attention to this case when much more heinous crimes were committed by blacks against whites were systematically ignored.
Check out this case that was not picked up by the national (PC) media:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChannonChristianandChristopherNewsom_Murder
I read a lot about this case, and was shocked at some of the attitudes towards it at a neighbouring school with a majority black student body. Many students there said it didn't matter so much to them if the accused were innnocent - that they should be found guilty regardless, to atone for past crimes of their race. How F-u==ed up is that??
One of the most grim things I read was the story of how the "victim's" co-dancer who at first did not back her partner's version of events, suddenly changed her story and contacted a top PR firm in New York to ask them for advice on how to "spin" her story for maximum financial yield. Surprisingly enough, the PR firm passed her request on to the media and others and she was disgraced.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Emma Hawthorne: You are doing a considerable service by talking about dysfunctions in Ontario. In BC our Law Society separated its offiices from courthouses some thirty to thirty five years ago..Law society discipline cases including all punishments as well as dismissed complaints are featured regularly in Law Society Reports distributed to all BC lawyers.There continues to be a reluctance to report unethical behaviour because it shakes the tree and who knows what might fall out.